Does anyone think if Houston acquires Melo they have a chance to compete with GS? I think probably not, but they should be a very good team and fun to watch. They've added some nice support pieces as well as CP3, though I don't know what they'd have to give up to get Melo.
Now Kyrie Irving has asked to be traded! I didn't see that one coming. Without him I'm not sure Cavs to the finals is quite the done deal it seemed to be, and it probably means Lebron is more likely to move on next summer. People are saying trade Kyrie to the Knicks for Melo, but I imagine Melo was interested in going to Cleveland when Kyrie and LeBron were both going to be there, not just one of them. There's also talk of the Spurs trying to acquire him but I don't know who they have that would interest the Cavs really. Aldridge's stock is low at the moment, Leonard obviously isn't going anywhere, and everyone else is too old or not of much value.
I can imagine that if you are a PG of his ability it is probably not ideal from an individual perspective to play with Lebron, particularly if your number one weapon is destroying people off the dribble.
However from a team basketball and winning dynamic I would say there is no other better option for him in the NBA. Not even going to play with Leonard and the Spurs who I love.
If the Spurs could work something out where they could team up Kyrie/Leonard with something resembling an NBA squad then the West would certainly get even more ridiculous. If somehow that also involved keeping Aldridge as a third option playing the 5 in a small ball line up then would be great.
If he goes to the Knicks with or without Melo still there then he's gone down in my estimation. Giving up a chance to get to NBA finals again with the best player in the world (probably) to go and play hero ball for the train wreck Knicks........
"However, Irving has not excelled when playing without James. Last season, the Cavs were outscored by 90 points in 574 minutes when Irving played and James didn't. In the playoffs, they were outscored by 30 points in 61 minutes. In the NBA Finals against the Golden State Warriors, the Cavs were outscored 37-13 when Irving was on the court and James was off."
Yeah I think he works best as a 2nd option, he reminds me a bit of Gary Payton playing next to Shawn Kemp (although in the end GP became the better player but that's when Kemp got traded). He isn't an MVP level player but he is right up there as a top point guard, just maybe not a true leader. Which points would you take ahead of him? I'd probably take Westbrook, Curry and Wall ahead of him, maybe CP3 but he's getting on now and isn't a proven winner either (then again nor is Wall). Maybe Lillard at a push. I agree though, he'll be wasting his career going to the Knicks - but does he get much say in it? He doesn't have a no trade clause like Melo so he'll presumably have to go wherever they send him?
Also what those stats don't tell us is what the points advantage was when James played and Irving sat. Probably more favourable but perhaps not so in the finals, given they lost 4 of 5 games including 2 blowouts.
Point guards that I'd take ahead of Irving are Westbrook and Curry. I would say Lillard is on a par with Irving too.
in old money they're all combi guards really. CP3 is the last of the real PGs but maybe Lonzo Ball will change that. A pass first PG who places a premium on coordinating his team and involving teammates over scoring.
Irving signed a 5yr deal on the promise of being the #1 option in Cleveland...4 weeks later LeBron came back, he was demoted to 2nd option and he's never been truly happy since, according to most reports - now you can't blame Cleveland's GM and Owners for chasing LeBron, but you can sort of see why Irving felt disrespected by that?
He wants to be a John Wall-esque leader of the team (against whom he is always compared) and he can't be that with LeBron getting the ball in crunch time, it's an ego thing basically.
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its an interesting one as the general suggestion is he wants to go somewhere else to be the "man" and yet two of the teams he's reportedly expressed a preference for are Spurs and Wolves. Both have very tough minded coaches who believe in playing a certain way and both also have elite wing players who will no doubt expect to get the ball in crunch time.
If he is just interested in being the man then I guess New York would be a great place to ruin his career!
As mentioned above it would be fascinating to see how good the Spurs could be with Irving replacing Parker in that offence and Parker coming off the bench.
Like the way the Cavs are playing this. No knee jerk panic reaction. Kyrie will be getting twitchy now. Wouldn't want to be him facing a training camp when he's already announced he wants out. Strengthens their hand slightly in trades but I'd say it's still 99% certain he's going sooner or later. I think it's true if they can play it out until Xmas then more trade options become available.
Good for them. Players with big long term contracts should be held to them.
I think it makes the East more interesting - are the Cavs still a lock to return to the finals if they don't have Irving? I doubt they'll get equal value for him in a trade, probably land some nice pieces that give them depth but does that make up for losing a star point guard? I certainly don't think the Cavs will improve from last season, the only way seems to be down - but they might still get to the finals by default, depending on how Boston performs. Can't see any other teams really doing it, the East is just so dire. Possibly Washington. But that's still more interesting than last season where there was never any question who was going through.
As for players who say they want out, Rudy Gay said it to the Kings last year but got on with his job until he got hurt. Melo gets on with it for the Knicks (ok its partly his fault he's still there as he is so picky about who he'll waive his no trade clause to go to) so I think Kyrie will just get on and play if he has to.
Getting on and playing with non competing losing teams is one thing. Getting on and playing on this current Cavs team could prove a ot trickier.
I cannot see it working to be honest. There are some good stories on ESPN at the moment relating to potential trade scenarios relating to Irving and Cavs. Apparently the Cavs are being very cautious due to Lebron being unwilling to commit to an extension. In particular it said that a deal with the Spurs would make a lot of sense for both teams IF he committed past next summer. Worth a read.
2NFR: Hogg could do a lot worse, Sharks on a bit of a roll right now ... could be the top team next season (depends if Attiba stays or not)
May 11, 2016 9:51:25 GMT
brummiedunk: Easy for Raiders: 1) Corletto, Sturt, Dixon, Costelloe (my god, he is a good pg and will be HUGE! I didn't even miss josh 2) Elsewhere? Washington from Riders - class! 3) Who wouldn't? Corletto is a god (You hate us but we don't care!)
May 12, 2016 17:01:03 GMT
dwade91: hi everybody, i'm from italy, where can i find a list of the team of London?
May 20, 2016 20:14:10 GMT
gonk: Do you mean a list of teams in London, or a list of London lions players?
May 20, 2016 21:11:25 GMT
dwade91: A list of teams in london, i am from Italy, i dont know leagues and teams in england, i am interesting in london teams
May 21, 2016 9:42:59 GMT
gonk: I've messaged you.
May 21, 2016 17:31:31 GMT
twalk: reading through this thread, my short time in chester was a breeze compared to what followed... lol... funny to me.. def know about that true inner circle of this club....
Jun 23, 2016 21:04:10 GMT