Does basketball need to stop fixating on public sector funding? (22:47)
This is the only bit I’ve listened to so far as I was interested to hear your take.
I totally agree.
Interesting to listen to this and consider some of the negative or disparaging comments regarding London Royals approach (the assumption someone is overspending and will run out of money then fold).
The BBL has to become more professional and raise its profile.
I’m a relatively new fan and follow the Rocks. I find it bizarre there are days, sometimes weeks of silence. Ridiculous the squad is pretty much disbanded as soon as the last game is played. It’s amateurish.
I’ve no interest in international sport. Especially olympics, commonwealth games etc. I don’t think that’s the way for basketball to go.
The league needs a big sponsor, exposure, promotion but looks like as you touch on for a big change a few Turkeys have to vote for Xmas.
Does basketball need to stop fixating on public sector funding?
Interesting discussion. And I do agree, sometimes we focus far too much on public funding to grow the sport in the UK. If anyone’s in the best position to do this it’s those who would benefit commercially, i.e. the BBL. But as mentioned in the podcast I think the fact that the BBL is essentially a franchise model, owned by the teams and not a governing body, is the biggest problem. How could the BBL implement strict criteria to improve the overall quality of the league when said criteria would essentially force half the teams – or should I say owners, out of the organisation. And probably make things financially worse, at least in the short term, for the other half. They aren’t going to do it.
Some people like to knock it for being circus basketball (for which I do understand) but the closest we’ve maybe come to this happening is Matchroom Sport running the British Basketball All-Stars Championship. It has a quality controlled entry policy (top 7 teams in the league, plus the current champions), is one of the best attended events of the season, is arguably the best presented event of the season – both in the arena and on television, and receives some of the best media coverage (even being broadcast in multiple countries around the world). That’s the kind of standard the BBL needs to start to adopt throughout. You have to ask, is it a coincidence that the best example of this being done is with the only competition not being run by the BBL…?
Matchroom is a bigger organisation than the BBL. It can afford to chuck a bit of money at it for a period of time and see if it's worthwhile. It's a shame that it won't get involved with an establish BBL competition or at least a short format competition that's more akin to "real" basketball, but that's not their MO.
What does the Trophy result mean for the rest of the season? (00:40)
Might mean something, might mean nothing. I'd like to think it shows Royals are capable of big things. However, it may also mean they managed to up their game because it was a derby game and a final. With 7 losses i'm not getting *too* excited however it might come together in time for the playoffs.
Are we seeing the last of Tayo in a Scorchers jersey? (09:37)
Maybe not. Surrey were excellent last season and *did* manage to win the allstars despite a poor season since. I think they'll have to work hard to keep him but I don't think it's a definite that he's gone.
Does the Riders v Eagles game mean as much as it used to? (15:30)
Almost. Both teams are still hugely relevant. It's just not a battle of 1 v 2 anymore. The point about it being great to see 4 excellent teams this season is one that i'd agree with. We have a situation where 4 teams are better than the rest however none are so good as to be invincible. It's exciting. To go back to the original question, the fact that London v London now exists means that Riders v Eagles is no longer the only show in town. it's not that it doesn't mean as much, it's that it doesn't *need* to mean as much.
Does basketball need to stop fixating on public sector funding? (22:47)
Yes. 100 times yes! Our MO seems to be whining about not being funded and attacking other sports. It is tiresome, boring and utterly unprofessional. Public funding can be a good source of money to complement private or self generated funding. When used as a crutch to stop the national team programme imploding it is neither complementary or being used for long term benefit. I've said it enough times so i'm not gonna dwell on the point too much other than to say "Who the fck in their right mind would fund us?".
We should be run like a business instead of a basket-case begging for handouts. We seem to think because we're a popular kids sport, and because we consider ourselves more inclusive than other sports, we're automatically deserving of free money.
To address the question posed at the end of the episode - am I happy with the way things are going? Unsure. I do feel we're making some progress in terms of facilities. However, are we seeing much difference in terms of commercial partnerships? We've no title sponsors for any competitions. I think there's some way to go.
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I am with you Gonk. We are not deserving of anything. Yes we may well be more deserving than other sports who are getting something.....but for me they are two different things. If money is around great....but don't presume it will be or that we should get it. So many people ask me "why is basketball not more popular in the UK" and the answer I think is really simple "why should it be?". It is a sport that I love and have played, watched, coached and supported since I was 15. For sure you would think a country with our weather might find an indoor sport attractive but historically we have huge amounts of infrastructure and organisations in place to support and perpetuate other sports and it is really tough for basketball to compete with those; football, Cricket, Rugby, Tennis are four sports that tend to have long histories of owning their own grounds, club houses, benefitting from huge internationally recognised yearly cash cows and relatively big participation numbers. How many talented potential basketball players are lost to football in this country or even rugby? Where they don't have to pay, where they get free kit, where they can see a pathway? Our sport is a millions miles away from that.
I always think the most telling sign of a successful professional sport is how many people watch it but aren't actually involved in playing, coaching and officiating the sport.
100% it could be better organised in the UK. It could stop the self harm. Lets just all be realistic though - the sport does not deserve anything. If those in charge started from that place then maybe that would be the first step on the road to making things better.................
I sort of agree - we should stop fixating on public money because it allows us to excuse the poorly run nature of the sport.
However if our society has decided to fund sport then basketball has to stake a claim a share of those funds. Ironically enough the fact that we make such a poor job of pushing our case is just another example of the how poorly the sport is run.
We shouldn't fixate on public money but equally we shouldn't give up trying to get some !
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