Elvisi Dusha joints reading rockets! After leaving his club, wherever it was backing up Andrew Lawrence he's signed with Reading. Can't help thinking hell leave as soon as a NBL club offers him. 2nd year in a row he's joined a team in Europe to be back home before Christmas. Not good enough maybe or something else?
Fantastic match last night, Worthing Thunder vs Loughborough Student Riders. Thunder had a good shot on the buzzer but it didn't drop so lost by 1 point. Unfortunately a 2 pointer was awarded as a three pointer by one of the referees earlier on in the match for Loughborough, which would likely have sent the match to overtime, or at least changed how the match played out in the final minute. We'll never know!!
We got our first league win. While beating Westminster won't shock the world, we've looked far more of a team since we made the changes. Despite my claims regarding the BBL previews, sometimes less can be more. the players seem to be enjoying it again. With a blank Sunday I drove down to Barking Abbey to watch "Kent" v Reading in the Cup quarter-final. There's a brief report on Eurobasket.com, but Kent simply ran them out of the gym despite missing three players. They'd do well in D1, the question is how many of them will be left when they return next season.
Best D1 game I've seen since we beat Magic in OT at Brentwood about nine years ago. That's still on utube somewhere. That one was a classic comeback that they didn't quite finish but tonight was nip and tuck all the way. Mind you, who's seen a team get seven and ones in a half?
We appear to be sleepwalking into a relegation battle which is very disappointing. I don't think it was arrogant or delusional to have expected any better. Having everyone available every week would help.for all the feelgood factor caused by the Giants win and some great crowds at Brentwood, we simply haven't done it on the court.
Elsewhere in D1 Northumbria won the National Cup yesterday and no one noticed. I've against uni teams but they're doing nothing to promote D1. Loughborough get better crowds than TN but playing double headers with Riders would give them a much higher profile.
I truly do not believe any team should be allowed in Division 1 who have no interest in promoting the sport/games. You have several teams busting a gut trying to put a decent product on the floor and needing crowds/sponsors to bring in the money to run the club. Training venues, game day court hire, away travel, Refs, table officials all have to be paid for. There are other teams who appear to get all this given to them on a plate and have no need or interest in attracting a crowd or promoting the sport.
Post by Just wanna see NBL improve on Jan 23, 2017 20:48:30 GMT
I agree with you Tony leopard.
There are decent teams in NBL1 that have a great product and decent match night. As a neutral, I would say that Worthing is at the top of the list. Hemel and Leopards are a close joint second with Derby thereabouts too.
Reading are still good and the volunteers are second to none but are not helped by the conditions at Rivermead, which used to be a great venue but is in dire need of an overhaul. Manchester are still good but there match night was MUCH BETTER in the early days of the ABC.
But there are teams that blatantly just don't care. Leicester Warriors being the prime example. I saw on social media that they had 11 people watch them against Worthing Thunder. I went along to their game against Lancashire as I live in Birmingham and there was no-one to greet you so that you could get a ticket (not moaning about not paying for a ticket), there was no programme, no pre-match intros, no music, no nothing. I counted 12 people, plus myself there. What a joke of a club that competes in the second tier of this country!
Team Northumbria I hear only have stands behind the basket and again, don't have ticket sales or any kind of pre-match activities. Basketball England's marketing department does need to look into it. Just to make the game night experience more pleasurable. Because if I took my son to Leicester.. He wouldn't want to watch another game again.
I'm surprised there are teams so high in the basketball 'pyramid' doing so little to promote themselves. If the clubs in the league are taking such massively different approaches/attitudes to the competition, would it be better if the NBL restructured the league into two separate competitions?
> A 'semi-pro' league for clubs who are committed to building a fanbase and delivering a quality on-court product. (This could potentially be affiliated with the BBL and fill the proposed BBL Cup expansion, but with more flexibility on venues and no burdensome franchise fee.) > A 'community' league for teams whose priorities are more towards growing participation and giving local clubs an outlet to step up and find higher-calibre opponents, rather than attracting large crowds and marketing the game.
That might allow clubs play in a league containing like-minded competitors, which could help minimise 'culture clash' issues where (for example) smaller teams pull out of a cup rather than get a hiding. Would that be more effective than a single NBL trying to be all things to all people?
Yep. Spot on. You're suggesting a different version of my BBL II proposal - maybe one step further removed from the BBL than my idea.
BE have concentrated on participation and basically abandoned the idea of D1 one clubs operating as organisation who want to promote basketball as a spectator sport. That's a shame because kids watching the game can inspire them to play (it's certainly worked for both my sprogs who are playing against kids much older than them because they've watched the game since being in the womb (possibly)) but I can see why it's happened because there are some D1 side who simply WILL NOT do anything other than turn up to play the game.
The two groups would be (in no particular order): Magic, Leopards, Rockets, Thunder, Trailblazers, Hemel
The inbetweeners are Spinners (after their no-show last year), Solent (venue issues at their second court0 & Bradford (really need a bigger venue for at least some games to make it work)
You work the format of the two leagues and who plays in which peripheral competitions (in theory the first group could play in cups against both the BBL and the "participation league") when you've sorted out who plays in which tier.
Unfortunately I can't see BE driving this forward (it's not their current ethos) and I'm not sure there will be any will from the BBL now they have the security of a ten year contract.
I have no problem working to improve things at Leopards - no club is perfect - but it's frustrating when you know a percentage of D1 will continue to fail to do some of the very basics that should be a given in the second tier of English basketball.
Its surprising really that University teams are able to maintain a D1 presence but cannot even attract the student body to create some sort of match night experience. I cannot recall your BBL II suggestion Hersey. Any chance of a link? Sounds though like it would be a step in the right direction as long as it had enough teams.
I recall in my limited D2 experience back in the early 90's that we got crowds bigger than some mentioned above and so did several other teams at the time in our division.
My local league teams gets more than some of the mentioned d1 teams, very embarrassing when teams are trying to run professional outfits. Imagine being an import at a good team than travelling to and empty court to play an away game
Part of a local league team getting more than D1 sides is down to them not charging to get in and all the players living locally (thus attracting friends/family). Leicester Warriors don't charge to get in, but nor do they appear to promote games even to their juniors, and because some of the players come from London (seriously!) you haven't got the friend/family element.
Loughborough had commentary and seating out last week (no programme, though) so they made some kind of effort. Team Northumbria don't appear to do any promotion, they'll actually stage a women's game at the same time, splitting any casual support. I can't believe that, with the crowds Riders & Eagles get, there isn't potential for crowds of 2/300 if they made an effort, and Leicester Warriors could at least attempt to tap into Riders' support. But there's no sign of those clubs wanting to do it. And Mr Tall is bang on about imports, my exact words to one American when he made his away debut at Leicester was "it's not always this ****".
Connors, my ideal BBL would be two 10-club divisions, playing each side in their own division three times and the clubs in the other division once with a joint cup/trophy & the play-off finals to be at the same venue. Promotion/relegation wouldn't be automatic but the possibility would be there if a club was good enough both on & off the court. There would be different off-court standards for each division.
About 15 (maybe 16) years ago the NBL Conference was created. It was supposed to be a stand-alone division at the top of the NBL and was basically number23's suggestion. Even before a shot had been taken it had been watered down with clubs forcing their way in despite not having the off-court standards. Within three (I think) years they'd given up, and rebranded the league EBL, with the top division reverting to Division One.
The article appears to be written in code. I assume it's some kind of registration irregularity, maybe a banned player registering under a false name or an American playing without a visa. But the article really should explain what happened.